In this episode of All Rise, Abdu Murray sits down with Bethel McGrew for a wide-ranging conversation about why Jesus continues to haunt the modern imagination.

From Jordan Peterson, Tom Holland, and Bart Ehrman to Michael Jackson, populism, AI, beauty, and the crisis of trust in our institutions, the conversation explores why Christianity keeps reappearing at the center of our cultural questions—and why the Gospels still speak with such surprising power.

Keep up with Bethel through her Substack at https://www.furtherup.net/ or X/Twitter https://x.com/BMcGrewvy.